Paint Shop Pro :: Color Management - Embed Profile When Saved
Feb 10, 2012
But I have and EP3 and am using Olympus Viewer 2 to manipulate the RAW images, I then edit the TIFFs in PaintShopPro 4. I have also calibrated my Dell 2410 with SpyderPro4.
My challenge is that the image edited in OV2 looks very different when viewed in PSP 4. I think the issue is that OV 2 is embedding a color space of "sRGB IEC61966" not the profile I set up using Spyder (as shown in the information screen of the resulting TIFF). when I open PSP it then says it is converting the "sRGB IEC61966" color space to my Spyder profile.
I have set OV2 to use Color Management and to "embed profile when saved". The monitor profile selected is my Spyder profile. Is this a bug? Is there a setting I should use in PSP4? Or si the problem on OV2?
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Dec 24, 2013
I understand many of the aspects of color management: gamut, color space, profiles, calibration, and most of the accompanying pieces. The problem is that I don't understand the inter-relationships of the various steps between taking a photo and printing it.
My equipment is not wonderful. If I were serious, I would have spent 10x what I did; but I'm not a pro. I'll settle for the best I can squeeze out of it. My goal, at this point, is to get my prints to look like what's on the screen.
For software I am using PSP X6 and Windows 8.1.
The photos I get come from various sources. As I understand it, those images (primarily JPEG if they come from a camera, presumably RAW if I scan directly into PSP) should have the profile of the capturing device embedded in them. Is that correct?
In the past I've been told that I should always use the color management in my editing application, rather than whatever Windows makes available. Is that still true? So far as I can tell, there is no way to turn off Windows Color Management (WCS).
You can turn off color management in PSP. There is a checkbox for it.I've been reading that I should set my PSP color working space to sRGB. Is that turned on and off by the color management checkbox? Assuming I have a profile for my capture device (camera or scanner), should I use that profile instead?
I have factory supplied profiles for both my monitor and my printer. Supposedly the printer will automatically select one of its various profiles based upon the paper I use, but that's a setting in WCS. (I can force a particular profile if I want.) In PSP's color management, I have to pick the profile manually.
Should I turn off color management in PSP, and set everything up in WCS? WCS has a setting for viewing conditions. The default is "WCS profile for sRGB viewing conditions", the alternative is "WCS profile for ICC viewing conditions". Does that mean that I could (or should) get an ICC profile based upon my work area's lighting, etc.
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Nov 23, 2012
6 months ago I purchased a new computer with Windows 7 Home Premium. I reinstalled Paint Shop Pro X4 but have not used it much since then. Recently I wanted to print some photos and I was very disappointed that the results were VERY red. I have a Canon MP600 printer that I have used for several years with very good results. With my old computer (on Win XP) the difference between the monitor and printer was minimal. I am not familiar with the technical jargon relating to color management and relied on the operating system to do a satisfactory job. I only use PSP as a hobby and am not as picky as most photographers but this was very disappointing. I also tried printing some graphics as might be used in a brochure and the colors were too red. I cleaned the print heads as per the Canon instructions and all 5 ink cartridges are full. I might also mention that grayscale images print looking similar to sepia although they are grayscale on the monitor.
don't get too technical as I don't really understand this whole "color management" thing.
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Nov 21, 2011
I'm exporting Tiff Prophoto files from Lightroom into PSPX4 for further processing. The images are 1 to 2 stops under exposed when compared to Lightroom's image.I have selected PSPX4 color profile to match LR export color space.
I have tried exporting the Tiffs as sRGB and adode1998 and still the images are under exposed. I have little knowledge about color management and have searched around the web for possible answers, but no luck.
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Aug 19, 2012
I have PSP X4 SP2.
Current color working space: AdobeRGB1998.icc.
I want to take HDR photo. I have 3 pictures JPG in AdobeRGB1998. When I giving HDR/MERGE EXPOSURE program automatically changing color profile of my pictures from AdobeRGB for sRGB. Why does it happen?
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Aug 3, 2013
This is a subject that I have now talked to 3 people at a print lab and 5 local Pro Computer photography about and cannot figure out.
My images are all sRGB color format automatically by my camera.
Somehow my images are coming into PX5 with the sRGB, but the second I do anything to them even just going to save as and renaming them.... then they no longer have a color profile attached.
I have checked this every which way. I make sure the options box under save as has the box checked for "embed ICC profile". They still go out and then have absolutely NO color profile attached.
This was brought to my attention by an outside lab telling me that my photos were printing wrong because of no color profile being on them.
I tried going through After Shot Pro and can view them with any ICC profile including one from this specific lab, but then even on that program if I try to attach a color profile to my photos that have already gone through PX5..... then after shot can't embed a profile, the box is checked but nothing happens.
I have worked on this non stop for a week now and can't figure it out.... the box to embed the profile is always on and not one of my photos has any type of color profile on it after it has been in PX5.
Oh and it's the Ultimate PX5 and all patches etc have been uploaded. I even uninstalled and re-installed once to try and fix.
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Aug 13, 2007
Since I've updated to a 22" LCD Screen I've run into a problem, and Im not sure exactly what is causing it. I'll do my best to explain the circumstances.
The problem Im having is managing the colour between what Im doing in Photoshop, and what is being produced on the web. For some reason, the brightness/gamma I have in photoshop is higher than what is being saved for web.
For example, Im working on a PSD file, get the brightness, saturation to exactly where I wanted it, then go "save for web" and as soon as the save for web dialog comes up. It's much "darker".
Here is a screenshot of the photo in photoshop, along with the image saved on the right in firefox.
I've checked the "Color Settings" in Photoshop, and the RGB profile is set to SRGB.
Now most people who view the photo, say it is "too dark". So im assuming that most peopels monitors view the image as too dark. So I need photoshop to view the image as "too dark", so I can tweak the brightness etc so that it becomes correct for most monitor.
Why would photshop show it slightly brighter, as soon as I hit "save for web", the colour Im seeing in the preview window is already "too dark".
It's almost like my default ICC profile is chagned to be too bright. Any help would be appreciated. I think when I installed my graphics card drivers, then Nvidia also ran a color profiler. I also insatlled the monitor drivers for my widescreen.
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Jan 18, 2014
I have a set of JPEGs that have been stripped of their color profiles (AdobeRGB). Lightroom assumes that they are sRGB images and displays them incorrectly. Is there any function in the program that will let me embed the correct (AdobeRGB) profile to the photos, preferably without re-compressing them?
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Nov 12, 2013
I have a problem with the “Save for the Web” results using Photoshop CS6 running on Win 7 x64.
My photos are already in 8 bits and in sRGB and when I save for the Web I check the option “embed color profile”, uncheck “convert to sRGB”, metadata to “copyright and contact info”.
When I open the resulting photos in Photoshop, everything is fine as it recognizes the embedded color profile. Same thing when I open these files in Firefox, Safari or Chrome: the colors are correct.
Now, when I right-click on a file in the Win Explorer and look its properties, the line about the color profile is blank, as if there wasn't any. This doesn't bother me but the problem appears on my Website created with Joomla and using for the display a module, Responsive Image Gallery, which creates resized copies of the photos. At this point the copies have completely lost their color profile. I entered in contact with the module's support and they assured me that it preserves the embedded profile, so I come here to gather some information about how this “Save for the Web” embeds the color profile because may be I just didn't understand how it does and if it's different from the “Save as” way.
The fact I can't see the profile through the Win Explorer makes me think Joomla's module doesn't either.
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Apr 24, 2012
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I recently calibrated my monitor with a Spyder 4 Express. I process my RAW images in ACDSee Pro, saving them as tiffs - ProPhoto RGB. Yet when I open the same images in PP, skin tones are quite saturated and I'm wondering why? Prior to calibrating my monitor, everything was normal across all my programs, as it is now in ACDSee Pro. But not with PP and OnOne. Something has changed between the programs and I can't see what. I've attached my current Color Management settings from PP.
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PSP X4 does not save the last crop settings which I used. In older versions the program saved the last used settings (dimension of the crop frame in pixel) and this was a good thing. Now in version X4 this does not work anymore. Is there a setting to switch that on or is it a bug?
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Dec 14, 2011
I have a workspace saved as Default.PSPWorkspace. Every time I start PSPX4 I have to select File > WorkSpace > Default.PSPWorkspace so that all the settings for Palettes and Toolbars are as I need them.
Is there any way to set a saved workspace to actually serve as the default without having to select it every time PSPX4 starts?
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Jan 1, 2012
I can't open files saved in X4 in v9. I couldn't figure out the text tool in X4 & saved the file so I could finish in v9 but v9 says it is not a valid PSP file. This is very frustrating since I need to be able to use v9 until I learn X4. Second, I have 64 bit version of Thumbnail view installed but it still doesn't allow me to see all of my PSP files in Windows Thumbnail view.
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Jan 8, 2013
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Apr 28, 2012
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In explorer folders view it shows but has a locked symbol in front of it.
Try to find it from another program and it does not show in folders.
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Dec 21, 2011
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I have a problem with the color management of my corel Photo Paint X4.I create Flyer in CMYK and the color management is set as you can see in the attachment.On screen all colors are correct, but when i print something the colors look like it ignores the color management settings for the printer.
When i open the same document in my old Photo Paint 10 with the same color management settingsthe printing has the right colors...
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Oct 19, 2011
read that color management pdf by gennady petrov and tried a few things he wrote. I turned off color management in the printer driver, chose corel to manage color, and the image default profile sRGBxxxxx. picture was way dark and ugly. tried several other profiles and same dark picture. hmm that did not work so well.
went back to the printer driver and disabled no color management, and chose the profile Adobe RGB. still kept corel as manager and chose A RGB as the profile and the print looked spot on. Have not had problems printing from corel because I have come up with my own system, but was quite surprised at the result from turning off color management in the printer driver.
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Dec 12, 2012
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I took my square image and pasted as a layer. Behind this is a raster layer flood filled with black (As the image will be going onto a black t-shirt). I used a rounded rectangle selection tool to make a mask somewhere just inside the image borders. I then applied a Gaussian blur to the mask and it faded the edges of the image beautifully. I checked with the black background layer off and again it faded nicely into transparency.
Now my issue is that when I save it as a PNG file (with background set to transparency of course) and try to use it against various coloured backgrounds there seems to be a white glow around the edges where it is meant to fade out.
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I think I've found a major issue with saving .PNG files that have partial transparency in PSPx4
Essentially any opacity isn't saved correctly, and is made far too transparent. So anything with partial transparency is saved incorrectly.
I first noticed this when I saved a file to PNG that had a drop shadow - and the shadow seemed to have not been saved. In fact it had but the transparency was now so much higher it was almost invisible. Looking closer, all partially transparent pixels are not saved correctly.
This issue isn't present on x2 and PSP 9 (two old versions I've got).
I've done a simple test. Create a new image, transparent background. Fill with a colour at 30% opacity. Save as PNG, save as PSPImage. Resulting PNG looks completely different to the PSP image.
See the below screenshot, and also the but saved as PNG in PSP 9 (to show this is fine).
I'm always saving to PNG and this makes PSPx4 useless to me I'm afraid. I've checked the save settings and it's the same as PSP9.
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