AutoCAD Civil 3D :: What Is Causing EG Data Reference Surface To Disappear On Screen And Profile
Oct 10, 2013
What is causing my EG Data Reference Surface to disappear on screen and Profile goes to crap? I've noticed this twice on same project in separate drawings. If I go to Toolspace and synchronize then it appears back on screen.
First dwg: I created a Pump Station Site Plan and data referenced in my surface and pipe network. I save and close then reopen and EG is gone until I synchronize.
Second dwg: I created a Railroad Crossing Exhibit showing plan and profile. I data referenced in my surface and pipe network. Same thing...save, close, reopen and I have to synchronize it to have plan and profile to appear ok.
This isn't good when I have .dsd files that I typically plot my drawing package from. I sent multiple sets of drawings to the plotter and all my Pump Station Site Plans were missing the surface contours. For this sheet, I had to synchronize and send separate plots just to have contours appear.
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Aug 27, 2012
I have a drawing with multiple profiles. We originally had an existing and finished ground surface in the drawing, but decided to use a data shortcut to the surfaces as the design kept changing. We deleted the old surfaces from the drawing, and created the data references, using the same surface names for the new referenced surfaces.
The ground lines show up in the profile, but I can't get it to show the linetype I need for the EG surface (dashed). It doesn't act like a typical profile line - it now shows a lot of PVI points, and plinegen settings have no effect.
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Feb 21, 2013
I have a Surface that is data referenced into many different drawings. On one of the drawings, the reference will not show contours until I sync. It will show the boundary. Just one of them...but I can't use sheet set manager to publish drawings since I have to open it up and sync. Is there a setting we changed? The styles are all the same. The surface is on C-Surface, the boundary is on C-Surface, the Contours are on C-Surface-MJR, C-Surface-MNR.
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Oct 29, 2013
A method (possible expressions) to create a profile view label that can reference pipe or structure data?
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Jul 10, 2013
my colleague that is on holidays right now sent some civil 3d drawings that contain data references to another office and they are having broken reference issues with the surfaces. I opened the drawing in our office and the surfaces are there and showing the data ref symbols in prospector but when i look through the data shortcuts folder below in prospector the surfaces are not there.
how do i locate the .xml files or if they have been deleted how do these surfaces appear in my drawing.
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Sep 6, 2013
I have some storm sewer alignments that I've put into profiles in C3D 2011. The pipe network that I used to create the alignments from is a reference created from a data shortcut. I've created profiles of these storm sewer alignments, and the station labels for the storm structures are displayed at question marks until I go into the structure properties for each structure and link it to the correct alignment.
The problem is that whenever I synchronize my data shortcuts because someone has updated something, all of the links in each structure to the alignments disappears and I am back to? for my stations in the profiles and I have to go go fix it again. how to keep this from breaking?
I do see this recent message [URL] that appears to be a similar problem, but it was said in that thread that this problem was introduced with C3D 2012, but I am using C3D 2011.....
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Nov 28, 2012
I have structures and alignments data referenced. If I assign the structures ref alignments in the dwg with the data refs for labeling, the next time I open the dwg the ref alignments are set back to none, causing the labels to be ?
It seems like this worked in the past?
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Jul 28, 2011
I am getting this error in my production drawings.
My setup is as follows:
- EG.dwg has my existing surface in it. I create a data reference to use it in other drawings.
- Level One.dwg has the EG surface data referenced in, and I use this to create alignments, profiles, and finish surface. All of these are turned in to data references.
- Storm Sanitary.dwg has my pipe designs. I data reference in the two surfaces, profiles, and alignments, and create pipe networks. I create references for these networks.
- Plan Profile.dwg is the production sheet I'm getting this error from. Every one of my civil objects is data referenced in to this drawing. Everything is inserted correctly, the pipes show correct FG surface elevations for their rims, etc.
BUT when I open this drawing, I get this error. I assume it's because my FG surface is not directly in the storm sanitary.dwg.
How do I get rid of this error, without combining drawings, or promoting the surface to one or more drawings? Isn't this exactly what data references is made for?
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Apr 4, 2012
Is there any way to change the referenced surface on a Surface Elevation Label. I can see the surface in the properties but cannot change it.
C3D 2011
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Mar 14, 2013
Im creating a Profile Bandset and would like to have multiple surface/profile elevations shown, ie: EG, FG, Back of Curb and Back of walk. While creating this bandset I see that the text component editor properties only has code for profile 1 elevation and profile 2 elevation in the properties area, which the code for this looks like below.
<[Profile1 Elevation(Uft|P2|RN|Sn|OF|AP)]>
<[Profile2 Elevation(Uft|P3|RN|AP|Sn|OF)]>
Ive tried to write my own code using the profile 2 as an example but it doesnt seem to work as a 3rd surface/profile and only seems to mimic the profile 2 elevation when placed in the band
My questions are as follows
1) does Civil 3d only allow 2 surface elevations in any band set? if it does allow more profiles/surface elevations what am i missing to create it?
2) if Civil 3d does alow for multiple surfaces to be shown in the band set how do i get the text component editor to supply the extra profile elevation codes? or would i need to create from scratch
3) if i need to write the code from scratch does any listing of the codes and meanings of each code ie what does RN, Uft, Sn and so forth do and mean .
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Jun 17, 2013
I have a profile showing proposed storm sewer, existing sanitary, rock surface, existing surface, and proposed profile. Today for some reason the proposed profile and labels, and the existing surface are not showing on the profile and I'm not sure what has changed or how to get them back.
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Sep 9, 2011
i have created a data band in profile view that should show a created profiles elevation, but some of the the data fields are missing irregulary. Also in the data band that shoud show the diferenece betven the tow profiles - EG and the new profile the data is missing. The EG profiles data and the surface are ok all is shown.
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Mar 17, 2011
We have an engineer who is taking an existing surface and wants to show a proposed road 2" higher than existing.
I told him to simply adjust his assembly for his corridor to account for the 2" difference, but the County agency needs to see a profile.
My questions:
1) Is there a way to easily copy a profile made from a surface and "convert" it to a proposed profile? If we copy and explode, it turns into hundreds (thousands?) of tiny pline segments and it would be a mess to convert all those to a profile 1 by 1. If we make the corridor, and choose "profile from corridor", we do not have an option that could be used to represent the centerline.
2) Other than loss of dynamic updating), would it make sense to adjust the assembly so the top surface would be accurate, then copy the profile, explode the copy to a block and simply shift that (as essentially basic linework)?
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Nov 28, 2012
Attached are survey points that created the surface of a road embankment portion that caved-in. The road is very near a reservoir shoreline.
1. How can a surface profile be produce? I/'ve use line to change it into an alignement and then create a proile , then a profile view. But the the surface profile is missing.
2.the points having higher elevation are the top edge( road level) of the cave-n . A few few shots were take before the shorline elevations.
3. What the best way to come up with the rock volume to fill the cave-in given this surveying points., Also the shoreline elevation will be lowered some more while work is being done since the fill is not allowed to fall in the reservoir.
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Dec 4, 2013
I have my design drawing referenced into another drawing for plan and profile sheets. I made some changes to my pipe network in my design drawing, and my manhole profile labels disappeared in my sheet drawing!
The manhole labels in plan view stayed where they were, and updated with the changes I made. The profile labels just disappeared.
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May 14, 2013
I built a corridor, then corridor surface. Then I changed the corridor onto a different profile. I noticed that the contours at the end were going crazy: the new profile ended before the corridor and everything was going down to zero elevation. So I went to edit my corridor region. I enter the required station, and my contours disappear.
Observations so far:
If I set the end of the corridor region to 2+377.91 to 2+384.54 inclusive, the contours on the surface disappear. The triangles and boundary still display, and the surface gives a Z reading when I hover the mouse over it. If I set the region end to something above 2+384.54 or something below 2+377.91 the contours reappear.
My profile ends at 2+383.00, and I would like the corridor and the surface to end there too!
C3D 2013 SP1
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Jan 11, 2013
I'm currently working on a job in a team where we'll be working on different drawings, yet have the other drawings x-referenced into our drawings to keep up with updated files. We've had no issues with this for the few months we've been doing this, until overnight one night this week it seemed everything changed.
I'm currently updating our elevations while my partner is updating the plans. I have those plans x-referenced into my elevation drawings. The issue that we've run into is simply that any time I have my elevations or any drawing open that contains an x-reference, the file that is being referenced won't open without stating "[that file] is currently in use by [other user]. Would you like to open the file read-only?"
I've seen this alert before and it's understandable when dealing with the actual file (one person opens a file another already has open), but I've never before had this alert stem from the file in question being an xref. I closed my elevations and then opened the plans with no problem...no alert stating they were in use by someone else.
We're using AutoCAD Architecture 2013.
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Dec 11, 2013
Does the source file size impact the functionality of a surface data reference?
Case 1 I have a source dwg that has a single surface, Surface A, in it and is an overall small file size.
Case 2 I have a source dwg that has Surface A as well as another 10 surface and the file size is HUGE.
When I data reference out Surface A from Case 1 versus Case 2 does the new drawing look back at the entire drawing or just the surface data to make sure the surface is up-to-date when syncing?
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Jul 3, 2013
I am trying to create a label for fire hydrants in plan view that shows the flange elevation. I want the elevation to be 0.4' above the adjacent road profile. I added a reference text component to my label style that shows the profile elevation. Where would I find the expression for the profile elevation reference text?
Civil 3D 2012 SP3 | Win 7 64-bit SP1
Xeon E5-1620 @ 3.60GHz, 16GB Ram | NVidia Quadro 600
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Jul 19, 2007
I have got the ole Program Errors Dialogue back again. It seemed to stem from a rogue data shortcut that got broken.
I could not delete the broken surface reference, so had to create another data shortcut, create a reference and then I had the opportunity to delete the rogue surface and then the data shortcut.
Anyway, I got this error on Audit. (see image attached)
and this was the audit command line dump...
Command: audit
Fix any errors detected? [Yes/No] : y
Auditing Header
Auditing Tables
Auditing Entities Pass 1
Pass 1 100 objects audited
AcDbDictionary(8AB)
XData String Length 260 > 255
Truncate to 255
AcDbDictionary(8AB)
could not be repaired.
Pass 1 30600 objects audited
Auditing Entities Pass 2
[Code]...
I may have made an error by importing a data shortcut I didn't need in past weeks on this job. When a data shortcut is broken, it is quite hard to remove the reference.
Anyway, perhaps I just need to upgrade but I don't want to do it for this curent project as I am almost finished. (famous last words).
So what is causing this error that cannot be fixed? I didn't ask foran Xdata string to exceed 255 characters...
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May 4, 2012
I was so excited to hear about the new pressure pipe networks that I had to get into the software. What I have found is both promising, and a little bewildering. The promising aspects are that the pressure pipes appear to act and function effectively, and in a manner consistent with real world design that is easy to understand and use. Kudos to Autodesk!
That being said, I do have a couple of complaints. First, the pre-loaded fitting and appurtenance libraries are very limited when it comes to sizes and materials that are more commonly found in the land development arena I work in (8" PVC is our bread and butter). Hopefully, additional resources are forthcoming - they usually are.
Second, and more importantly, I can't figure out a way to data reference a pressure pipe network. If we can't data reference the pressure pipe network, then we really can't use them at all, which would be very disappointing.
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Oct 24, 2007
is there a way to stop the synchronization at the start? i would like to synchoronze manually later.
any system variables?
Civil 3D 2012
Work: Xeon W3503, 12GB, Quadro 2000, Dell P2211H x 2
Home: 3930k, 12GB, GTX 590, U3011, QX2710
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Jun 18, 2012
i have some simple profiles and just want to show the pvi's in plan view on the alignment.
i made a reference label and it works great. now i am trying to figure out if there is a quick way to locate the pvi station on plan view other than doing something like create a point using sta. and offset as parameters hand typing in the info.
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Sep 18, 2012
I have a profile that references an alignment, I want to change the alignment that the profile view references, can this be done?
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Sep 4, 2013
Civil 3D data shortcuts.
So I first created a drawing which included a surface called "CONTOURS" and an existing sewer pipe network. I then created a data shortcut of the existing sewer network and started a new drawing with a proposed sewer pipe network.
When I received better contour data, I created a new "10FT EXIST CONTOURS" surface in the existing sewer drawing and switched the reference surface for the existing sewer structures and pipes to the new "10FT EXIST CONTOURS" surface. And of course I deleted the old "CONTOURS" surface because I no longer needed it.
Now, the part that makes me want to pull all my hair out! When I open the proposed sewer drawing I get all the error messages that "Reference surface 'CONTOURS' not found in reference drawing" for all 22 of the existing sewer structures.
I've tried deleted the existing sewer network in the proposed sewer drawing and recreating the data shortcut but nothing makes the errors go away. Is there any other way the existing sewer structures could be referencing the deleted surface that I have not thought about? How to get the error messages to clear?
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Apr 5, 2012
i want to delete unwanted reference file (xref) information outside boundary of a current drawing.using civil 3D or autocad.
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Oct 31, 2012
I've just used Data Shortcuts for the first time but I've found that I can only reference in Surfaces and Alignments. Is this correct? The file I am creating my model in, has Corridors/Feature Lines/Gradings as well but I can't create Data Shortcuts for these? or am I missing something?
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Jun 28, 2013
I have a major error currently affecting my work that I need to resolve ASAP. I'm using C3D 2012 64 bit with Windows 7. I have multiple model drawings that I have created pipe networks and view frame groups in, and using those model drawings I have created plan and profile sheets from the view frames. I created data shortcuts of all my pipe networks and referenced the pipe networks into my sheet drawings. In the sheet drawings I drew the network parts into the profiles, and everything displayed exactly as it was supposed to. No issues at all.
Now fast forward about a month. Out of the blue one day I open one of my sheet drawings to perform some edits and notice that the pipes that were previously displayed in the profile views showing inside and outside walls with the centerline turned off now show up as a simple line. I haven't changed any settings at all. I looked at the properties of the pipes, and they seem to have all ignored their asigned diameters- the pipe data in the referenced network now assumes all inverts & crowns are the same elevation as the centerline.
Long story short, I have gone so far as to completely reinstall the program and restart the drawings, but the more I edit the oringal network the worse the problem gets. Now all of my structures are attaching themselves to the surface profile instead of the pipes, and the entire network gets put onto my current layer rather than the layers I assign in the Create Pipe Network Reference dialog box.
It happens to any drawing I try to open on this network- even ones created by third parties that I haven't edited. And the problem resides in the drawing because anyone I send the drawings to has the same problem. It will even crash the entire program sometimes when they try to open my drawings.
Civil 3D 2012 SP3 - Windows 7 64 bit - Intel Core i3-2120 - 8 GB Memory
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Jan 25, 2014
I am running Windows 7. Recently upgraded from LR 4 (which was always stable for me) to LR 5. I have the application on one drive and my catalog and previews on a separate SSD drive. Anytime I run lightroom 5, after a little while (10-15 minutes), the drive with the catelog and previews is no longer accessible or even viewable from windows explorer. I've never had this trouble with any other program and the only way I've been able to see the drive again is by restarting my computer.
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Dec 14, 2009
I want to change the reference surface for a pipe network with existing pipes and structures. however the changes will only affect new objects, I have to manually change the others one by one. Even with the vista open I can select multiple structures, but when I click in the reference surface column of one of the selected structures, all the others are deselected.
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Sep 9, 2013
I have designed a pipe network in Civil 3D 2013, first I created a rule set for both structures and pipes, then I created a parts list, next I built my network.
Where more than two pipes connected to one structure, I found 'applyrules' couldn't align everything appropriately, so I had to manually amend the levels in 3D to ensure the pipes connected correctly (soffit to soffit / top invert to top invert).
My problem is that after doing all this, the surface model has been amended! I have changed the reference surface in the network properties and in the vista. The rim height of my structures seems to have been adjusted in the most part but my pipes have not.
In areas where the surface has gone down, my minimum cover is violated. Is there a way to move the pipes back down to minimum cover, without using 'applyrules', as using that command would change the gradients to the minimum, some gradients have changed during my manual adjustments.
Furthermore, where the surface model has reduced in level significantly, my pipes are now above the surface and the manhole has stayed there too.
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