AutoCAD Civil 3D :: 2013 Pipe Networks Reference Surface Amended
Sep 9, 2013
I have designed a pipe network in Civil 3D 2013, first I created a rule set for both structures and pipes, then I created a parts list, next I built my network.
Where more than two pipes connected to one structure, I found 'applyrules' couldn't align everything appropriately, so I had to manually amend the levels in 3D to ensure the pipes connected correctly (soffit to soffit / top invert to top invert).
My problem is that after doing all this, the surface model has been amended! I have changed the reference surface in the network properties and in the vista. The rim height of my structures seems to have been adjusted in the most part but my pipes have not.
In areas where the surface has gone down, my minimum cover is violated. Is there a way to move the pipes back down to minimum cover, without using 'applyrules', as using that command would change the gradients to the minimum, some gradients have changed during my manual adjustments.
Furthermore, where the surface model has reduced in level significantly, my pipes are now above the surface and the manhole has stayed there too.
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Apr 2, 2012
Another collaboration question so you have a compressed design program and want the drainage to be designed while the finshed surface is yet to be completed.
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Aug 2, 2012
So I wanted to put my existing 2d linework for a water main into a pressure network. I have done quite a bit of reading about pressure networks and the lack of different pipe materials and apputenances to choose from. It seems as though the fittings are all there for the most part.
The way I understand it is the only pipe material that is shipped with C3D is Ductile Iron and if you want PVC or something else, you open the content catalog editor and change the dutile iron pipe to polyvinyl chloride (PVC). Am I on the right track here?
As far as appurtenances go, when I open up the Content Catalog Explorer there is nothing for hydrants, valves, wyes, etc...... Is the only thing I can show then bends?
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Sep 4, 2013
Civil 3D data shortcuts.
So I first created a drawing which included a surface called "CONTOURS" and an existing sewer pipe network. I then created a data shortcut of the existing sewer network and started a new drawing with a proposed sewer pipe network.
When I received better contour data, I created a new "10FT EXIST CONTOURS" surface in the existing sewer drawing and switched the reference surface for the existing sewer structures and pipes to the new "10FT EXIST CONTOURS" surface. And of course I deleted the old "CONTOURS" surface because I no longer needed it.
Now, the part that makes me want to pull all my hair out! When I open the proposed sewer drawing I get all the error messages that "Reference surface 'CONTOURS' not found in reference drawing" for all 22 of the existing sewer structures.
I've tried deleted the existing sewer network in the proposed sewer drawing and recreating the data shortcut but nothing makes the errors go away. Is there any other way the existing sewer structures could be referencing the deleted surface that I have not thought about? How to get the error messages to clear?
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Dec 14, 2009
I want to change the reference surface for a pipe network with existing pipes and structures. however the changes will only affect new objects, I have to manually change the others one by one. Even with the vista open I can select multiple structures, but when I click in the reference surface column of one of the selected structures, all the others are deselected.
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Nov 28, 2012
Somehow I copied something and now when I open my drawing I have deplicate pipe networks with one being named something like Pipe Network and the 2nd being named Pipe Network(1). Pipe Network(1) does not show up in the toolspace. It has duplcated every pipe network in the drawing. I deleted all the pipe but when I close and reopen the drawing it comes right back. I've attched a pic. The single line is the original, the double line is network(1).
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Jan 10, 2013
On a waterline that I am currently working on, we have existing utilities (gas, fiber, electric, etc.) surveyed and need to display those on our profile. Typically we will determine the crossing locations and offset those x' below the existing ground.
The problem I am having is that in a mile and a half of waterline, there are 100+ crossings. Creating a pipe out of each of those, applying the correct pipe type and display, naming the pipe network, etc, is too time consuming. It's faster to draw them on our profile manually. Also, with 100+ pipe networks, it slows down the drawing considerably. And if we create data shortcuts, then we have to create a reference to 100's of pipe networks in our plan and profile sheets.
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Jul 1, 2013
I have a drawing that started as a pipeline network and am trying to easily convert the pipes to polylines or something of the sort to export to shapefiles.
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Mar 15, 2013
Is it possible to simultaneously create a pipe network with multiple pipes?
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Aug 15, 2013
On my drawings when I want to edit a label, I click the label, the ribbon changes and gives me options for that label, I click "edit label group" then a dialog box for that label style pops up and gives me more options.
Same drawings on another employees workspace, after clicking the label the ribbon changes, "edit label group" is selected from the ribbon, the command line then asks to pick a label you would like to edit even though you already selected a label.
What is the issue here? Does a system variable need to be set to "1" instead of "0" somewhere?
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Jul 23, 2013
I layed out a pressure netowrk horizontally using 6" pvc pipe. It includes some 45 degree bends and such and even some curved pipe. Now the engineer wants to adjust the alignment in the area of the curved pipe.
First of all the modify area in the ribbon on the plan layout tools for pressure pipe is an absolut joke. It lets me break a pipe (which deletes one end of it), move a pipe (but the attched pipes don't move), or slide a pipe (whatever that's supposed to do).
If I grip edit a curved pipe, this will not work. The curved and tangent pipes will now no longer be tangent to each other and when laying out an alignment on the pipe itself, the curves will not work correctly when going to stake it out.
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Nov 19, 2012
Is there anyway to have the Pipe Networks tab of the Profile View Properties dialog box default to having "Show only parts drawn in profile view" selected automatically?
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Apr 12, 2011
I would like to show a pipe network structure on my section view. The catch- the structure is 10' away from my sample line. Is there any way to project structures onto section views? C3D 2011
Civil 3D 2012 SP4.0 Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit
C3D 2014 SP1
Dell M6600, Core i7 @ 2.3GHz, 16 GB ram
Dell T3500 workstation, too much ram to post
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Jul 24, 2012
I am having an issue with the pipe networks drawing the pipes incorrectly in the cross sections. Whenever there is a crossing pipe running parallel with a structure, the pipe shows as a large ellipse instead of showing the pipe walls.
Some of the pipes are not running exactly parallel with the sample line, but they are pretty close. I know in the profile view you can change a setting to make a pipe show as a pipe end or as a regular pipe. Is there a setting for the cross sections as well? If not how do I get the pipes to show correctly?
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Jun 5, 2013
I have a 18' x 10' special structure where I'd like to be able to connect the pipes as shown to the structure but I'm not aware of any way to force the Connection point of the pipe to the desired location along the structure.
Normal behavior is to connect all pipes to the same insertion point or center of structure.how to go about maintaining pipe connection orientation to reflect the design requirements?
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Jul 19, 2013
I have been working on a site layout, and the engineers changed the final topo. I have imported a DEM file, and changes all of my pipe networks to reference this final grade. But all of the pipes I have placed do not reference this surface, but all of the networks do. Other than changing all of the pipes individually (which is what I have started to do through Pipe Properties) is there a quicker and easier way to have all of the pipes reference my new surface, and also is there a quicker way to apply my rules to this new surface other than the same way (through Pipe Properties changing my rules, and right click to apply rules).
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Jan 10, 2013
I have created a complicated 3D utilities model using pipe networks. All the clashes have been ironed out, the 3D DWF looks great when rotated, the client is happy. Now It is time to hand it over to the contractor to build. He hasn't got Civil 3D and isn't going to get get it. He either want's the information as an x,y,z, text format or a 3d polyline. I cannot see anyway of doing this with the tools available.
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Feb 1, 2012
We are in the process of updating our pipe network structure label styles. The styles are displaying the inverts in a random order (Please see caption) & we'd like to show the inverts in descending order from highest pipe as first text string & lowest pipe as bottom text string. Is there a way to globally tell civil 3d to always use a descending invert order? Only fix we've found is to disconnect & reconnect the parts in order to adjust invert order.
C3D 2012 SP3 & C3D 2014 SP1
Win 7 Professional 64 Bit
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May 7, 2013
I have an existing pipe network and a proposed pipe network. When I label a structure in my profile view, how do I combine the different network information? (Or do you usually have one network for both proposed and existing?)
For example, I have an existing pipe that will remain, but I will replace the structure and connect it to new pipes. On my label, I want to label proposed structure, pipes, and existing pipe using italics.
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Dec 24, 2013
How Autodesk came up with the wall thicknesses for pipes in their parts lists under pipe networks in Civil 3D? I found that for DIP the wall thicknesses for pipes was way greater than anything commercially available; and that for PVC the wall thicknesses were way thinner than what's commercially available.
Are most client's modifying these lists to conform to pipe specifications or ignoring these discrepancies?
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Jul 16, 2013
I need a way for 2 users to work on a pipe network at the same time. I was thinking about creating Data Shortcuts, but I’m looking for a better way to accomplish this. For example, can I export a pipe network created by another user into a master file? (which contains all my networks consolidated together). I want to work on one part of the network while another user works on another part of the network then combine into a single file so that I reference everything into our P&P sheets.
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Apr 26, 2013
I created a pipe network from a object (alignment wLpolyline) I want to set my inverts at the inside edge
of my SDMH not the center. I go into Edit Pipe Networks then the vista (table). I don't see a option to do that.
Is there a setting in the SDMH structure style or somewhere else?
As an example I come in at 6250.0 at inside a 48" MH and go out at 6251.0 at other side of MH.
I wanted to use a catch basin that shows the depressed curb & lip like the one in the Pipe Network Video
but it not in my parts Library even when I create a full parts list it still isn't there. Is ther a way to go on line and download part structures?
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Jul 28, 2011
I am getting this error in my production drawings.
My setup is as follows:
- EG.dwg has my existing surface in it. I create a data reference to use it in other drawings.
- Level One.dwg has the EG surface data referenced in, and I use this to create alignments, profiles, and finish surface. All of these are turned in to data references.
- Storm Sanitary.dwg has my pipe designs. I data reference in the two surfaces, profiles, and alignments, and create pipe networks. I create references for these networks.
- Plan Profile.dwg is the production sheet I'm getting this error from. Every one of my civil objects is data referenced in to this drawing. Everything is inserted correctly, the pipes show correct FG surface elevations for their rims, etc.
BUT when I open this drawing, I get this error. I assume it's because my FG surface is not directly in the storm sanitary.dwg.
How do I get rid of this error, without combining drawings, or promoting the surface to one or more drawings? Isn't this exactly what data references is made for?
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Apr 4, 2012
Is there any way to change the referenced surface on a Surface Elevation Label. I can see the surface in the properties but cannot change it.
C3D 2011
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May 4, 2012
I was so excited to hear about the new pressure pipe networks that I had to get into the software. What I have found is both promising, and a little bewildering. The promising aspects are that the pressure pipes appear to act and function effectively, and in a manner consistent with real world design that is easy to understand and use. Kudos to Autodesk!
That being said, I do have a couple of complaints. First, the pre-loaded fitting and appurtenance libraries are very limited when it comes to sizes and materials that are more commonly found in the land development arena I work in (8" PVC is our bread and butter). Hopefully, additional resources are forthcoming - they usually are.
Second, and more importantly, I can't figure out a way to data reference a pressure pipe network. If we can't data reference the pressure pipe network, then we really can't use them at all, which would be very disappointing.
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Mar 2, 2013
is there any quick way to assign reference aligment to pipe network parts?
I use practise to create one pipe network and afterwards i expand my pipenetwork by editing with lots of aligments (create aligment from network part function i use). Bur there occur a problem in my profile view, when i want to represent station value of aligment and there is now reference aligment in pipe part.
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Oct 29, 2013
A method (possible expressions) to create a profile view label that can reference pipe or structure data?
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Jun 28, 2013
I have a major error currently affecting my work that I need to resolve ASAP. I'm using C3D 2012 64 bit with Windows 7. I have multiple model drawings that I have created pipe networks and view frame groups in, and using those model drawings I have created plan and profile sheets from the view frames. I created data shortcuts of all my pipe networks and referenced the pipe networks into my sheet drawings. In the sheet drawings I drew the network parts into the profiles, and everything displayed exactly as it was supposed to. No issues at all.
Now fast forward about a month. Out of the blue one day I open one of my sheet drawings to perform some edits and notice that the pipes that were previously displayed in the profile views showing inside and outside walls with the centerline turned off now show up as a simple line. I haven't changed any settings at all. I looked at the properties of the pipes, and they seem to have all ignored their asigned diameters- the pipe data in the referenced network now assumes all inverts & crowns are the same elevation as the centerline.
Long story short, I have gone so far as to completely reinstall the program and restart the drawings, but the more I edit the oringal network the worse the problem gets. Now all of my structures are attaching themselves to the surface profile instead of the pipes, and the entire network gets put onto my current layer rather than the layers I assign in the Create Pipe Network Reference dialog box.
It happens to any drawing I try to open on this network- even ones created by third parties that I haven't edited. And the problem resides in the drawing because anyone I send the drawings to has the same problem. It will even crash the entire program sometimes when they try to open my drawings.
Civil 3D 2012 SP3 - Windows 7 64 bit - Intel Core i3-2120 - 8 GB Memory
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Jun 28, 2012
Having problems using custom pipe properties in pipe label expressions in 2013? I have some expressions relating to stub callouts and the ones that directly reference the custom properties lose that reference every so often.
For example I have and expression called "STUB-Riser-Length2d" which is defined as "{Riser Length} / SQRT(2)" where "Riser Length" is the custom pipe property. Every week or so it changes to "/ SQRT(2)".
I haven't been able to find the pattern as to exactly when this happens yet. All expressions not referencing custom properties seem to be holding steady. The pipe catalog is on a shared drive on the network, if that makes any difference.
Civil 3D 2013 - Windows 7 Pro 64 - Dell T3500 - Xeon 2.67 - 24gb - Quadro 600
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Nov 13, 2012
Civil 3D 2012. One structure in my pipe network is not following along when the network is data-referenced in to other plan drawings. The structure is present in the source drawing, and included in the network, along with the pipes that are connected to it. All other structures and pipes are operating fine.
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Sep 26, 2013
We have Civil 3D 2013 (and 14). We need to create an ArchGIS file that includes pipe networks created with C3D, pavement and building which are polylines. export from C3D to shp file, or import dwg into ArchGIS. Since no one here has worked is familiar with map where would be a good place to start looking for information on accomplishing this task.
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