3ds Max :: Using State Sets To Manage Output Of Render Elements
Oct 10, 2011
We've started using State Sets to manage the output of render elements from our scenes and all was looking great UNTIL we noticed a rather nasty bug.
I hope I can describe this clearly. Here goes:
I have created 3 State Sets as follows:
Beauty
Outputting/saving a bitmap to ".eautyFrame_Beauty_.jpg" from the Render Output 'Save File' section.
No Render Elements enabled.
Reflection
No Ouput/file saved from the Render Output 'Save File' section.
Reflection Render Element enabled and outputting a bitmap to ".RefFrame_Ref_.jpg"
AO
Outputting/saving a bitmap to ".AOFrame_AO_.jpg"
AO material in Material Override section enabled.
Exposure Control deactivated.
Now when I switch between these state sets by clicking on the green arrows in the State Sets dialogue the 'output path' from the Beauty or AO state set gets transposed onto the output path in the Reflection Render Element in the Reflection state set.
It seems that Max 'recreates' the Render element each time the green arrow for that state set is clicked and any active Render Element inherits the output path from the previously active state set.
This effectively renders them unworkable for managing Render Elements.
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Jan 4, 2012
I have problem with anti aliasing when output z depth render elements. What main parameter control do I have to tweak to improve the edges?
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Dec 21, 2011
I guess state sets come from maya and in maya we can Copy render layer instead of setting it up all again and again...
How can I copy state set in 3ds max so I can work quicker? Where is copy button?
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Nov 17, 2011
am working with a purchased version of 3ds Max 2012, and state sets are not showing up in the rendering menu. Also, there is no state set function in the 3dsmax.ini file to be set to true, which is what this link says to do initialize state set to true
It says it comes with advantage pack version of 3ds Max 2012, so are there versions without it installed?
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Oct 4, 2013
I am trying to utilize state sets so that I don't have to re render an entire scene to change one thing. For instance, in the attached image, I need to keep re rendering the floor patterns. So I created a state set where only the floor renders but obviously includes reflections and everything else from the model. I am getting these black clouds showing up though that I can't figure out what it is or where they are coming from.
I have just been turning off the other objects "Visible to Camera" to acheive this. what could be causing these clouds coming from the second floor?
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Oct 7, 2013
clarify if State Sets work or not? Are they a non feature that should never be used?
Every time I use them on any job they corrupt and loose all render settings.
3dsMax 2014 sp3
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Jun 3, 2013
For some reason, when I go to open my latest MAX2014 file... the State Sets dialog shows briefly on the screen while the file is being opened but then disappears just before the file finishes opening.
I don't use State Sets so I'm not sure why this dialog is showing.
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Sep 29, 2011
Noticed that stats sets didnt wotk with vray properties? from kens Blog:
"Vray rendering is fully supported by State Sets and we are working closely with Chaos Group."
kens blog yesterday:
"so on some quick tests:
- all vray properties were not recognized by state sets
- vray framebuffer output paths also (only if save checked or not)
- settings on render elements also
- changes on materials also (eg diffuse color)"
"Vray rendering is fully supported by State Sets and we are working closely with Chaos Group."
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Oct 4, 2011
I've just installed the 3ds max 2012 Subscription Advantage Pack, the State Set is not showing in the Render Menu.
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Feb 9, 2012
Is there a way in Max to automatically add the scene name, to your render output as in maya? I searched for a script but couldn't find it.
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Aug 24, 2012
Whenever I Render out a clip, the resultant file, when played back in quicktime is extremely bright.
I pretty much work in a standard comp for all my projects:
16bpc
HDTV (Rec.709) 16-235
Linearize working space
I have some projects that i previously rendered, and what you see in the after effects project window, is basically what you get on render - untill now that is. When I render the project, i usually use:
Render settings - Best settings
Output module Quicktime with H264 codec
I now want to render out the best possible lossless versions for more work - I am doing this so I can interpret interlaced footage into progressinve footage for my workflow. This is something found, to import the footage at 50FPS into a double frame rate comp. I then get discreet individual frames from the camera I am using. - But I say this just to explain why I want the best output for this part of the project. ( I have reset the preferences via CMD+Option+Shift on startup of AE) -
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Aug 31, 2011
Sometime with some scenes, I have this trouble :
-when I render my beauty pass in TIF 16bits with render elements and when I leave MAX set my render-elements output files automatically, MAX use the initial name of the output beauty pass. So technically, It is suppose to make a couple of file with the same format and the same name.
-ok, I presse render to Backburner and I wait.
-Now my render is done, I go check my output files. And, sometimes, without constancy, my beauty pass is a TIF 16bits but my passes are in gray-scale or in 8bits or 16bits in random.
If I restart the job on Backburner, maybe it fix this problem, maybe not.
The unique thing I find to fix that is to set all my passes manually. but it's a pretty heavy process.
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Dec 10, 2012
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Jul 10, 2013
I have isolated two issues in AE CC where I can duplicate a failed render with this message:
After Effects error: Rendering error while writing file "xxx". An output module failed. The file may be damaged or corrupted. (-1610153464)
This happens when opening an AE CS6 project and trying to render a simple comp with only one text layer and a moving mask. It also just happened after my first round trip test with Cinema 4D. I could RAM preview the c4d layer but the output to Quicktime h.264 failed.
I have even tried a full reinstall of AE CC. I have the basic FxFactory Pro plugins and MagicBullet Looks installed, but neither are being used since this is a single 1280x720 comp with a single C4D layer. Plus like I said it failed with the same error in past CS6 files.
I don't know how to force disable a plugin to test that, but I can't see how an unused plugin could cause a render to fail like this.
I'm on a new (late 2012) 27" iMac
3.4 GHz Intel Core i7
8GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX with 2GB VRAM
OS X 10.8.4
AE CC 12.0.0.404
CUDA driver 5.0.59
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Aug 31, 2013
I'm rendering at 1920x1080HD 25fps. Used the expression found on numerous threads including this one to generate whole number pixel shifts per frame.
t = time;fr = t/thisComp.frameDuration;x = value [0];s = 4; //Speed in pixels per frame [x, fr*s]
I generated the text and images in InDesign and exported as a PDF. Imported PDF into AE. Have tried a few whole number values for s including 4 and still getting judder.
Generated to H264 and Apple Pro Res codecs doesn't seem to make much difference to judder.Here is my AE project with PDF. Here is output as H264 (40MB).
Also included a Quartz Composer file .where I created the same whole number pixel movement as AE but rendering it out in Quartz Crystal I get different judder but no better. Quartz Composer previews in real time and Quartz Crystal renders same project that took some 16min+ in AE in about 30 seconds. But no smoother output — even when applying AA and Motion Blur at render time.
Any video encoder where I can down-sample say a 75 fps render to 25 fps with frame blending? Does Apple's Compressor do frame blending? What about some other app that I can get this out smoothly from. I have FCP installed but have never done a title in it either.
Since my Dell only has 60Hz at full native res (2560x1440) I set it to 1080p and selected 50Hz to see if that effected anything but it makes absolutely no difference to playback smoothness.
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So I figured out how state set works.
Is possible enable/disable a state set everytime I change a scene state?
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One thing I don't like when you do a search and some results are included in stacks of version sets, it that you are shown the best matches with the non matches indicated by a special icon. Then you can't have the option to 'select only best matches'.
An example : Suppose you usually shoot raw and keep only the best edited jpeg in a version set together with the original raw. You want to delete the original raws when there is an edited jpeg in the version set. You can perfectly use the search by details for files in a version set and filename with the raw suffix.
How can you select only the 'best matches' in the result of the search ? Unless there is a way to do that easily, I would like to introduce a feature request to add 'show only best matches in stacks/version sets' in the option menu of the result of the search.
You could :
- select all the results and expand all stacks and version sets
- assign a temporary keyword like 'IsInVersionSet' to all
- do a new search by detail for 'IsInVersionSet' and filename ends with raw suffix
- Select all and delete
- remove the temporary keyword.
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- create a catalog copy (copy of the whole catalog folder)
- in the new catalog, use the above procedure to delete the raws
- in the old catalog, find missing files and delete them from catalog.
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