Photoshop :: Scanner Calibration For Color-managed Workflow
Aug 2, 2012
I would like to do a decent calibration of my Epson V750 Pro scanner to achieve a color-managed workflow. I have the latest version X-Rite i1 Photo Pro 2 calibration kit, and although this enables me to calibrate my monitor and printer, it does not support scanner calibration.Â
I do have Silver fast Ai Studio which includes a scanner calibration facility - is that the best available to me or are there any other options, possibly using the i1 spectrophotometer as I know that it used to be possible to carry out calibration with the older versions of that equipment? Other than that, I'm using an Epson 3880 printer, running Vista x64 and using Photoshop CS5.
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Oct 18, 2004
As you can see by the spelling of "Colour", I'm outside the USA!
A bit of background: I graduated in photography a couple of years back and I've used PS6 and now PS7 quite extensively. I use an Epson 3200 scanner to scan my medium format (6x7) and large format (5x4) negs and trannies (that's FILM trannies...not the other kind!). If they are for exhibition, I'd burn them to CDROM and get a digital lab to print them for me otherwise they'd get printed on my Epson 760 (yes, it's quite old now!).
I've always had issues getting the screen calibrated. How would you guys go about correcting the relationship between the scanner/screen/printer? The screen is a Viewsonic E70 and I use the E70 profile.
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Mar 20, 2014
Yes, my monitor is an LCD and it is bright. It is not a proofing monitor. It was calibrated. I've been printing B&W from LR on an Epson printer (r1900 & r2400). I know proper color management. Turn off Epson Color Management, let LR manage color with the correct icc profile
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Obviously I can do trial and error, brightening the photo until it looks correct.My thought is, is there a way I could print on one page Thumbnails or like in the film days strips with different "exposures." Then with one print I could pick how much of an adjustment is needed?
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Apr 17, 2013
I'm assuming this problem I'm having stems from having color-calibrated monitors, but let me know if I'm wrong!
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To preface, this is the setup I have:
Windows 73 monitors as follows, all have individual color profiles calibrated using the Spyder 3Cintiq 12WX Dell U2410Dell 2409WFPPhotoshop CS6 - Proofed with Monitor RGB, and tested with color-managed and non-color-managed documents . I usually do most of my work on the Cintiq 12WX, but pull the Photoshop window to my main monitor to do large previews and some corrections. I noticed that the color picker wouldn't pick colors consistently depending on the monitor the Photoshop window is on.
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Here are some video examples:
This is how the color picker works on my Dell U2410:
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This is how it works on my Cintiq 12WX:
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Main Question
I know the Cintiq's video capture makes the picture look more saturated than the Dell's, but it actually looks fine physically, which is okay. But notice how the Cintiq's colour picker doesn't pick a matching colour. It was actually happening the opposite way for a while (Dell was off, Cintiq was fine), but it magically swapped while I was trying to figure out what was going on.
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Semi-related Question regarding Color Management
Color management has always been the elephant-in-the-room for me when I first tried to calibrate my monitors with a Spyder colourimeter years ago. My monitors looked great, but Photoshop's colors became unpredictable and I decided to abandon the idea of calibrating my monitors for years until recently. I decided to give it another chance and follow some tutorials and articles in an attempt to keep my colors consistent across Photoshop and web browsers, at least. I've been proofing against monitor color and exporting for web without an attached profile to keep pictures looking good on web browsers. However, pictures exported as such will look horrible when uploaded to Facebook. Uploading pictures with an attached color profile makes it look good on Facebook. This has forced me to export 2 versions of a picture, one with an attached color profile and one without, each time I want to share it across different platform. Is there no way to fix this issue?
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Pictures viewed in Windows Photo Viewer are also off-color, but I think that's because it's not color managed... but that's a lesser concern.
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Sep 8, 2012
My monitor is correctly profiled and the colors in Photoshop CS5 are correct and they print correctly. When I view the same image in Bridge, however, the colors are slightly more saturated and seem incorrect. They appear as they do when I view them in non color managed applications. Is Bridge color managed as is CS5?
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Jul 12, 2012
If it is possible to see in Photoshop what an image will look like when it is out in the un-colour managed world?I can see how you can do it if you are saving for web because you can preview it in a browser, but is it possible to do this with TIFs and PSDss ?
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I have a wide color gamut display and even with it set to sRGB color mode emulation, sRGB tagged images that look correctly saturated in Photoshop look over saturated once out of it and in an uncolour managed environment - particularly the reds. If I can replicate this environment in PS I can edit the colors to make them more neutral looking.
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Sep 29, 2012
I have experienced when rendering video from Photoshop that the color looks especially bad in Quicktime Player compared to what it looked in PS. I read that there is a color shift issue when Rendering Video from Photoshop due to the lack of color management in some video players. I know this is more a player issue than a Photoshop issue, but I want to be able to make my video look best across all players.
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Is there any kind of general rule for an adjustment I can make?
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I can't seem to find much information on Google about this particular shift with regards to PS' Render Video.
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Jul 9, 2013
I get a slight difference in color in my prints my when I use LR prifile vs Canon printer managed. The Canon is much truer to what I see on both monitors which, btw, are calibrated. LR throws in a slight magenta cast. Is there a way to correct this?
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May 5, 2008
i want to calibrate my monitor and printer and computer so they all read color the same way does anybody have any advice of how i can achive this with ease?
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Feb 17, 2013
I shoot Nikon and use Capture NX2 as my RAW converter. I then save my conversion as a TIFF and move into Photoshop CS6 for all of my editing and processing.
Here is my question: I have an Epson 3880 printer and i really like it. Ive started making my own prints and ive found that the ability to tweak the images is really an advantage vs. having a lab print them for me. Ive read quite a bit and seem to get conflicting positions.
Its seems as if sRGB is best for internet whereas Adobe RGB (1998) is best for prints. However, im a bit confused by all of the articles ive read. If i want the best of both worlds would the following be a good workflow?
1. Shoot in RAW
2. Convert RAW image to a TIFF in Capture NX2 with the Adobe RGB (1998) color space (I use Capture NX2 as my RAW converter)
3. Move the file to Photoshop CS6 and fully edit
4. Print the image
5. Convert the image to the sRGB color space and save as a JPEG
6. Post to web (i.e. Flickr)
Does that sound like a good plan or would you recommend starting and ending in the sRGB color space. Ive heard that changing the color space in an image slightly denigrates it ?
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Feb 20, 2009
I just got a new computer installed, same monitor tho. Ever since I got this new computer, I am unable to print in PS as well as I used to be able to a couple days ago. The color is way off. I have applied my color settings throughout all my Adobe programs to be the same in AI 10, ID CS3 & PS 7.0. I also have a Xerox Phaser 7750 GX.
There is a computer in back of me that prints great & how my computer used to print. Are there some settings that I should check there to compare with?
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Feb 21, 2007
I've been bitten by the color bug, and I want to know if anyone at PS has hardware that measures your monitor (spektrometer?) along with the software that I could borrow (or even perhaps buy?)
If it was for borrow, I would pay for shipping both ways as well as a perk for thanks. (I don't know if I can justify buying something that I'd only use once) But aside from using the proper color spaces, this should adjust the phosphors and such for perfect color calibration.
(It's amazing moving work from once PC to another how the color changes)
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Dec 12, 2008
I use AdobeRGB1998 color profile for monitor and Photoshop.
When I have calibrate monitor I must use new color profile?
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Apr 22, 2008
I am printing on an Epson Stylus Pro 4800. I am using Photoshop CS2 (version 9.0.2)and have the Color Settings set at North American Prepress2 which was recommended for using ICC settings. I have the printer set to "No Color Adjustments" (i.e. let Photoshop control the color).
Each time I send an image to print, the printer is printing color calibration bars then ejecting the sheet. The image is printing on the second sheet. At $2.50 per sheet (fine art paper), I can't afford to waste the paper. Does anyone know how to turn the color calibration bars off. I have already checked the Output Options in the print dialog box and the calibration box is unchecked.
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Oct 28, 2008
I've been struggling with color calibration for a while now. I have two displays:
1) Samsung 226BW (22" 1680x1050) which is a pretty cheap TN panel and is very poorly calibrated by default
2) Viewsonic VP930B (19" 1280x1024) which is a nicer panel and pretty well calibrated by default
Video card = 8800GT. In XP, I always used the nView calibration tool an followed the onscreen sequence to get both screens very nicely calibrated, and they would always stay that way. In Vista, unfortunately, NVIDIA has decided to not carry over their excellent nView software. So I'm stuck leaving the Viewsonic uncalibrated (which is mostly ok), and for the Samsung I use a software from Samsung called "MagicTune" which takes me through a series of onscreen exercises (not unlike nView did) and leaves the monitor pretty well calibrated. I've tried other software like QuickGamma and simply cannot get the same results as I can get with the MagicTune, which puzzles me.
Anyway, the problem is that (1) MagicTune almost never applies the correct "MagicTune profile" at startup, so I have to apply it manually, (2) I often have to re-open MagicTune (after gaming, for example) and re-apply the correct "MagicTune profile," and (3) MagicTune only functions well when the secondary Viewsonic (unsupported by Samsung) is disabled, so I often have to go through a long complex rigamorole of disabling and re-enabling the display to get MagicTune to work.
Is there any way I can "save" the color calibration state that the Samsung is in (when properly calibrated by MagicTune) and use a different software (or just Windows) to apply it, so I can stop relying on MagicTune? I know that I can manually adjust a lot of things about my color calibration without using MagicTune, but without the MagicTune exercises on screen I cannot achieve the same end result, and the "profile" created by MagicTune can only be applied by MagicTune.
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Apr 19, 2012
Question for you. I'm really trying hard to develop a great color work flow. I realized after my new discovery I didn't to proof my photoshop files under Blurb's cmyk profile any longer. I went under Proofing and selected the calibration I have done with my X-rite colormunki. I realize under custom is the whole array of choices from the default Apple RGB to selecting the calibration colormunkit profile I do every two weeks with my X-Rite Colormunki. I just realized there are other settings I can select as well. One being the legacy Macintosh RGB Gamma 1.8. then Internet Standard RGB (SRGB), and finally Monitor RGB. the second of first choice
This question has gotten more intense for me. Since I'm working in Photoshop on files for my website should I set the monitor to Internet Standard RGB (sRGB) when I'm color correcting and adjusting my files for the web. Also should I go under custom and select the X-Rite Colormunki profile? Also since I'm going to only use SRGB files for Blurb books and not use Blurb's Icc profile any longer. Should I also select the Internet Standard RGB (sRGB) as for my monitor while adjusting my files for Blurb books or leave it as one of the other two legacy Macintosh RGB Gamma 1.8 etc?
Now again I'm wondering when I'm printing files for my Epson printers should I select legacy Macintosh RGB Gamma 1.8 or monitor RGB. Also should I choice the X-rite calibrated profile. I know when I'm in the Epson driver I go and select the printer profile for the printing paper I will be using.
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Jul 26, 2013
Adjust the color calibration for camera?
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Jan 23, 2013
I recently calibrated my monitor with Spyder 4 express and the panels turned green. I am using windows 7. I reinstalled Lightroom but panels are still green.Â
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Aug 30, 2011
I'm trying to switch over to a gamma/linear color space workflow. 3dsmax and multiple blogs state that displacement, normal bumps, and bump maps should be noted in 3dsmax as gamma 1.0. All other maps (diffuse maps, etc) should be noted as gamma 2.2 (or whatever gamma you created them in) so 3dsmax can properly convert them to gamma 1.0 during its math calculations.
This is all fine. It makes sense that if you make a color bitmap in Photoshop, what you see on screen is being created/tweaked at gamma 2.2 and needs to be converted in 3dsmax (corrected down to gamma 1.0). 3dsmax notes that Mudbox and certain other software produce normal and displacement maps already in gamma 1.0 so these do not need to be corrected. Similarly, black and white bitmaps used for bump and displacement also should be noted as 1.0, not 2.2 (not adjusted down to 1.0).
Questions:
1) If I create a normal bump map in Photoshop (plugin), is that going to be gamma 1.0 or 2.2?
1b) Does it depend on which format I save it in? For example, jpgs default to gamma 2.2 (no gamma listed), while targas can note inside the file which gamma they use.
1c) If, in Photoshop, I simply open a normal map created in Mudbox (made and saved at gamma 1.0 automatically), resize it in Photoshop, and resave it as a jpg, have I inadvertently converted it to a gamma 2.2 image?
2) If I make a grayscale bump/displacement bitmap in Photoshop, it does not need to be adjusted from gamma 2.2 (but is "already" gamma 1.0). Why then would I note that same grayscale bitmap, created in Photoshop, as gamma 2.2 if it's used in any other slot (reflection, roughness, cutout, glossiness, etc)? By using Photoshop, aren't I looking at gamma 2.2 adjusted grayscale values on the screen when I create the grayscale image?
2b) Conversely, are displacement/ normal/ bump maps made in Mudbox only gamma 1.0 if they are saved in a non-jpg format?
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Aug 21, 2013
My Smoke just crashed and there is the possibility of loosing all my projects. I have localized some files that I want to "recover" even if they are all scrambled. The problem is that these files seem to be single frames .mov files. If I try to import them to another Smoke they will be imported as single files and there are 6000 of them. How can I tell Smoke to treat the individual .mov files as a single sequence. I renumbered the files.
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May 13, 2009
I am designing slides in Photoshop using the DV video preset. Except I want to use these same files for print output as well. So here is my workflow: 1) Created video preset template but resized to 300 dpi2) Create slides3) Output slides to 72 dpi jpg4) Put into Premiere Elements5) Burn to DVD (except my app won't recognize my DVD burner now so I have to use Windows DVD maker but that is a different topic.) Then, I am using the same slides in a printed album:1) Switch the resolution on the 300 dpi to "square" pixels2) Save as jpg for my album template3) Put into a page frame I made out of an 8.5 x 11 doc (plus required bleed) So, my question is, do I need to switch to square pixels? I am not sure which way the picture was originally scanned, but I think switching to square pixels should be accurate...it is just that they are looking wide and I may just have gotten used to the other way. The rectangle pixel document actually fits onto the 8.5 x 11 album page better...but I want to do it the "right" way for print.
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Jun 28, 2006
Is it any different than CRT calibration?
I just don't think my colors are correct.
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Feb 24, 2008
I have a lacie electron blue iv 22 crt as a main monitor that runs great and i don't see myself replacing any time soon, cheapo NEC 17" LCD as a secondary and both running off an XFX nvidia geforce 7600gtx. the lacie is running analog output and the nec is running digital.
I get good color from the lacie and on all my prints (oly 330n and kodak 1400 pro, both are dye sub printers). still using adobe gamma from cs2. is this something i need, or should i just stick with what works. (i guess the answer is stick with what works, but do you guys think i would actually GAIN anything by going for this.)
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Jun 21, 2012
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One of my LCD has two presets that are of interest 'standard' & 'sRGB' my other LCD doesn't have any presets. What is the best or near best calibration I can manually set both monitors too, if this is even possible on LCD.
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May 1, 2013
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Aug 24, 2006
I was wondering what people were using for a calibration tool for monitors. This is not my profession so I am not looking to spend $500+ on a calibration tool but it seems like there is some fairly good units out there for under $300.
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Oct 24, 2005
calibration hardware like Spyder?
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Feb 24, 2003
How can I calibrate my monitor so that the photographic images I see on the screen matches what comes out of the printer. Have tried Photoshops monitor calibration. and have tried adjusting the the image's colour to match the print out The photographic images are in CMYK
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I've got an older iMac G3 OS 9 and am trying to use the calibration tools that came with the computer. When it asks to select a "white point" ....how am I to know what to use?
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