Lightroom :: How To Combine Different Saturation Sliders
Aug 8, 2012
I'm not sure I understand how LR4 combines values from the global saturation slider and local adjustments. Two questions in bold at the bottom. I made the following experiments:
1) start with a color raw image, process version 2012, untouched.
2) bring down global saturation to -100
3) add a graduated filter with saturation +100 (I added, say, sharpness -100 to see precisely to which side the filter is being applied)
I would expect half of the picture to be colored and half b&w. Instead the filter is totally ineffective (i.e. it produces absolutely no effect, you can see this rotating it). So I conjecture that the total saturation is not "additive" (i.e. -100+100) but maybe "compound" (i.e. the product of 1+p/100). if this were true, then any slider equal to -100 would bring saturation to the minimum. let's see if this holds true:
4) set global saturation to -100. any value of the filter saturation is ineffective
5) set filter saturation to -100 and global saturation to 0. now (say) in my photo the sky is blue on the left and grey on the right.
6) slowly move global saturation from -50 to +100: the grey sky changes! from a... less saturated grey to a sort of... super-saturated grey (more brilliant and slightly yellow?).
So the conjecture is false and it looks like the filter is applied first, and the global value is applied last, IGNORING what the filter possibly did (so if the filter turned blue into grey, then "saturate" the grey).
In particular, if I want to desaturate everything, except for a very small area, I have to paint the complement of the area with saturation -100 which feels quite unnatural (I'd like to do it painting something only on the small area).
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Sep 5, 2012
I upgraded to LR4 from LR3. After opening LR4 I realized that the Develop/Basic menu sliders are identical to LR3, i.e., Exposure, Recovery, Fill Light, Blacks, Contrast, Clarity, Vibrance and Saturation.
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Feb 20, 2012
The default in previous versions of LR had the sliders set to various positions on import ie. Brightness 50 etc. You could zero out the slider by setting them at 0. Now with the sliders set to 0, yet LR adding a default processing, how to you zero out to start out flat?
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Nov 13, 2012
In the develop module, when I switch to B&W treatment, my understanding was that a different set of sliders such as fill light, brightness would appear. I just see the same sliders as with color treatment.
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Nov 16, 2013
sliders move but do not effect image, histogram moves and allowa image to be changed.I have lr5.2, MacBook Pro maverick. How do I get sliders to work again
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Oct 5, 2012
I have downloaded Issue 4.2 but am unable to manipulate any photos. When in 'Develop' mode the sliders are greyed out (I can't move them. I have downloaded the programme twice but with the same result.
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Jan 29, 2014
Just upgraded to LR5 and noticed that the color has gone from my white balance and other sliders within the develop module. Ie. the channels or groves of the slider bars are all white, and lack the guideline color gradients that used to be useful. How do I get the color back?
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Mar 16, 2012
when to use black and white sliders in LR4.
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Jan 19, 2013
I've been reading online that lightroom has the ability to control sliders in the develop module by simply hovering over the slider and scrolling. However this doesn't appear to be working for me. Whenever I hover over a slider and scroll, Lightroom attempts to scroll the right panel.
My system configuration:
Mac
OSx mountain lion
Lightroom 4 (latest update)
tried for raw and JPG files
tried using the macbook pro 2 finger scroll, a microsoft USB mouse and a MacAlley USB mouse
is there anything special I need to do to make this work?
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Mar 23, 2012
I am finding that the LR4 Develop Sliders are very sensitive compared to LR3. Holding down the Shift Key while adjusting the sliders will give precise control when needed.
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Feb 25, 2013
My tone curve sliders disappeared in Lightroom 3 (exposure, recovery, fill light, blacks, brightness, saturation, vibrance). I have googled it and tried a few things with no luck.
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Aug 8, 2013
When moving the sliders the image becomes blurry until the slider is stopped. You do not see the change until the slider is at rest. This occured in the early LR 5.0 beta version but eventually went away in the final. I really do not like this effect.
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Jul 18, 2013
I have an i7, 18 GB of RAM, SSD drive for cache and catalog, PC running Windows 7 64 bit. Minimal startup items. I find the Develop sliders hard to "grab" and move. There is quite a lag in response. Most of my files are from a Nikon D800, but I also have a lot of D700 files which perform only marginally better. I have not been able to find a satisfactory solution. Yes, I have deleted the preference folder, and tried all the tricks but to no avail. I also have some response issues with the Nik plug-ins and their slider response also, but not as bad a Lightroom.
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Nov 7, 2013
As you can see here, my sliders (the ones on the left) have lost their color & shadows!
Mine used to look like the ones on the right, then at some point they got to be a little desaturated... then a little while later they came to be what is on the left!
I'm would guess it's just some unfortunate hotkey I accidentally used (multiple times), but I've been unable to find anything about it...
I've tried resetting all the preferences in Lightroom, deleting plist files from the Library folder & even contacted adobe support though chat, but all to no avail.
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Mar 26, 2014
In the develop module the sliders produce no effect.
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Jul 30, 2013
Where are my slider adjustments for fill light and recovery?
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Nov 12, 2013
I'm using LR 5.2 and have seen tutorials where local white balance adjustments are possible with the graduated filter or brush tool.
With my LR these sliders are missing. I can change saturation, contrast, etc., but not the white balance. Could this not be part of the student version? The screenshot to the left shows my screen, the one to the right shows the sliders I'm looking for.
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Nov 26, 2013
when I open DNG files in the Develop Module, the basic tab is different than when I develop RAW/NEF files? With NEF files there are sliders for shadows, highlights and clipping but with DNG they are different - blacks, recovery, fill light. etc.. Why is this and is there a way to make the Basic tab the same for both (both like the NEF Basics tab)?
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Apr 14, 2013
Fairly new to LR. I notice that whenver I import photos and open them up in the Develop module, the Clarity slider is set to 30 and the Vibrance slider is set to 25. I've repeatedly cleared the slider settings back to their defaults, but when I import another photo and open it up, the same exact thing happens.
Is this the way it's supposed to work? Is LR making auto adjustments based on what it thinks the image needs?
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Jan 9, 2013
I just downloaded LR4 as a trial. Everything seemed to install just fine, but when I open LR4, the new whites highlights shadows blacks sliders instantly turn back to the old LR3 recovery fill light sliders....I see them for about 3 seconds and they change right before my eyes.
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Aug 5, 2013
I'm evaluating Lightroom 5 during the 30 day trial and it's all cool except for this one big annoyance that I noticed immediately when trying to work on an image in Develop module. As stated in the title, moving any slider (exposure, highlights, noise reduction, etc.) causes the image to go very blurry for the duration of the slider movement. It goes immediately back to being sharp as soon as I stop moving the slider. This is super annoying, feels as though my eyes are going bad.
What's interesting is that the problem doesn't show up when I'm adjusting the Tone Curve directly, but it will get triggered if I'll expand and use the sliders underneath. So looks like a bug that only applies to sliders.
This doesn't happen at all in Lightroom 4.4, which I still have installed and can compare side-by-side.
As for the hardware, I'm using the 2013 Macbook Air with 1.3 GHz i5 CPU and 8 GB of RAM. The OS X version is 10.8.4 with all latest upgrades installed.
I've already tried optimizing the catalog, giving it more space (currently at 3 GB) and purging it. I'm not using Smart Previews, although I've turned them on for a moment to see if the problem persists with them on - it does. I've also re-rendered the 1:1 preview for the specific image I've been trying it on. Btw, the file is a NEF from Nikon D300 and I'm using the 2012 process (as was the case with LR4). Not sure what else might be relevant here.
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Oct 26, 2013
How do I return the color gradient or gray scale to beneath the sliders. They are all just currently gray. The whole process just slows me down not seeing the resepctive colors or greys beneath the sliders.
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Jan 21, 2014
I have corrected my saturation on a photo in the Develop module and would like to copy that saturation to other photos. I click 'copy' in the lower left and get the dialog to select my choice of settings, so I only check saturation. I then move to my desired recipient image and click 'paste' and nothing happens. Same result in Library module when I use Photo > Develop Settings > Copy Settings and Paste Settings.
I am using LR 5.3 on Windows Pro 7
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Apr 5, 2014
I did a quick screen capture, and as you can see, the picture on the right (saturated) is the "unedited" version in lightroom, and the picture on the left is the raw file opened (used IrfanView). As you can see, my original file is quite flat, and I like it that way (easeier to edit), but lightroom imports it, and when I click on it to develop, it adds saturation. If I wanted to make it look like the origianl, I have to manually bring down the saturation by ~ -30! Why is Lightroom auto adjusting my images?
I used a Canon 6D to take this picture.
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Oct 21, 2012
I have a Sony Alpha SLT A55V when I import them to Lightroom 4.2 the color and vibrance changes. See examples below.The first image is after importing to lightroom, and making no edits, the second is after importing in PMB Sonys software that came with my camera and making no edits. I have no presets et when I used the trial program from the adobe web-site this didn't happen but after I purchased it from Amazon,
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Jan 2, 2013
I use my Ligthroom 3 for over 2 yeasr now and I had never such problem before. During exportin my pictures to HD I loose saturaion for orange. Whatever format I use problem remains the same. Both my monitors I use are calibrated so there is no colors distortion, especialy that it happen to orange only.
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Apr 11, 2013
I've been working in Lightroom 4 on a photo that I took and I have everything the way I want it (these adjustments include increasing the saturation on some colors under the HSL tab). Now I am trying to make the top half of the picture just black and white, but when I chose the Adjustment Brush and sturn the Saturation down on it to -100 and start going over the top half of the picutre, some of the colors (the ones I turned the Saturation up on under the HSL tab) dull a little but do not go completely Black & White.
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Nov 1, 2013
Develop module sliders changed to grey from their previous colors and gradients. Any way to change back?
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Feb 12, 2013
I am trying to re-edit some of my birding photos (CR2 raw images). I have difficult masks that were created in LR3 and took alot of time due to feathers on a complicated background. I do not want to have to re-mask everything in LR4. When I have imported my files to LR4 the original LR3 mask is still present. However, the sliders for Temp, Tint, Hightlights, Shadows, Saturation, Noise, Moire and Defringe are missing. I want to do localized noise control to keep feather sharpness so I need the Noise slider.
If I work on a photo that had no LR3 mask all sliders are available. If a mask from LR3 exists I am missing sliders. URL...
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Dec 10, 2013
When importing photos from two different cameras into the same catalog, some photos are over exposed, saturated, and with a changed hue.
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Jun 18, 2012
Using Lightroom 4.1 final, I see greatly different color saturation between the Library (very saturated) and the Develop (seems OK) module if I start the program on my sRGB monitor and drag the window to the wide gamut screen.
It seems like the Library preview is rendered as if the monitor was sRGB.
This seems very similar to the problem that was fixed from 4.1 RC2 to 4.1 final, but more specific to particular circumstances. And the problem does not exist if LR starts on the wide gamut monitor.
I'm using LR 4.1 final 64 bit on Windows 7 64 bit and I always use LR with a single window despite having two monitors.
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