AutoCAD LT :: PDF Underlay Will Slow Down Its Functions
Nov 27, 2012
I understand that a pdf underlay will slow down AutoCad and its functions. My company just switched from AutoCad 2010 to AutoCad LT 2010, while maintaining the same computer and it has become astronomically slower. Is this an issue I have to deal with or is there a way to improve its efficiency?
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Mar 22, 2013
how the internals of Inventor / iLogic are working.
We have multiple instances of Inventor running on a 12 core workstation so we can push configurations through concurrently - each Inventor instance is assigned its own processor affinity and each instance has its own project which points to seperate directories of Inventor models.
Everything seems to work OK when there are up to 5/6 working concurrently, but as soon as there are more than 6 the iLogic functions seem to grind to a halt - note that the rules are external rules.
For example, this function took 11 seconds to complete when there were 10 concurrent orders processing. :
Parameter("BLANK", "EDGE_FRT_ACTIVE") = "YES"
Similarly these functions took 11 seconds in total to complete :
iProperties.Value("Custom", "M1110900_P1PO") = iProperties.Value("Custom", "BLANK_GDIM") - iProperties.Value("Custom", "PANEL_GDIM")iProperties.Value("Custom", "M1110900_P2PO") = iProperties.Value("Custom", "BLANK_XGDIM") - iProperties.Value("Custom", "PANEL_XGDIM")iProperties.Value("Custom", "M1110900_P1OR") = 1iProperties.Value("Custom", "M1110900_P2OR") = 0
When I run these with less that 6 concurrent Inventor processes, they're are almost instant.
I just don't know where the bottleneck is. I've ruled out :
- Processor (each core never reaches above around 60%)
- RAM (we've got 48GB of RAM, with about 15GB free at worst)
- Disk (disk IO is busy, but it doesn't look like it's the bottleneck)
- Graphics (Inventor is in silent mode, with no UI, so graphics activity is minimal)
From the tests I've done it seems to be the iLogic functions that are the bottleneck. My next port of call is to change the iLogic functions to actual API calls, but I suspect I'll get the same results.
So, my questions :
Is Inventor queing these iLogic API calls somehow (note we're creating a unique instance of the Inventor.Application COM object for each processing thread) ?
Is there an issue with using external rules with nultiple instances?
Dell Precision R5500, Intel Xeon X5690 3.47GHz (x2)
48GB RAM
Inventor 2013 (PDS Premium)
64bit Windows 7 SP1
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Aug 30, 2012
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I'm trying to import a pdf underlay in AutoCAD 2012. However, every time I have imported it, the frame of the underlay shows up, but the pdf itself doesn't show up.
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Show underlay = Yes
Path is correct
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My girlfriend has a problem with AutoCad 2013 students version. After attaching pdf file in underlay option AutoCad crash. She's got macbook air with system version OS 10.9. She had not ever problems with pdr iunderlay before.
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Path is correct
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using (Transaction trans = database.TransactionManager.StartTransaction()) { UnderlayDefinition uDef = trans.GetObject(objId, OpenMode.ForWrite) as PdfDefinition; uDef.UpgradeOpen(); uDef.SourceFileName = newPath; trans.Commit(); }
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Print Screen Of Print Preview - Notice Quality of text on the panel
Print Screen Of Actual PDF - Text unreadable...
[URL]........
EDIT-- It seems I can't upload an image big enough to show the issue. You'll have to take my word for it.
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AutoCAD 2010
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and pdf is moved and they have the same path the pdf will be linked to the drawing?
The same can be asked about raster image files & AutoCAD?
Is there a way to set the raster image file to match the drawing location so when a drawing and rastor image is moved and they have the same path the raster image will be linked to the drawing?
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