AutoCAD Inventor :: Frame Generator Twisted Parts
Jan 25, 2012
I am on inventor 2010. never really used the frame generator much before. so I may be doing soemthing wrong.
But I just make #d sketches, and add members as i need them.
But I have this assembly, made of I-beams and HSS. I noticed eventually some parts will get twisted.
(Not really sure when and why it happens. I Usually notice just by chance.)
The only way I found to correct the problem is to delete the member and re-add it.
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Apr 2, 2012
What would cause my frame generator parts to rotate when I change a completely different part on my frame. they seem to be off by a very small amount. they seem to rotate everytime a change something else in the frame and can change them to be correct.. I believe my main sketch is constrained.
inventor pro 2012
windows 7 64 bit.
Dell t1500 i7 8 gb ram
ati firepro v4800
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Aug 5, 2011
I have resorted to partially recreating frames.
I am working on one frame where I have rebuilt two parts multiple times and they still revert to being rotated slightly after performing a rebuild. I can continually hit the rebuild button and watch them rotate back and forth. Is there a known fix for some of these oddities with FG?
Notice the two tubes in the attached pic. I do not understand why they continue to rotate out of alignment after they are placed correctly. (They even look fine when placed.)
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Mar 2, 2012
I dont know if this is possible or not. What it is, is that we use skeletal modelling, so we use intelligent "master sketches". Now we are just starting to use frame generator also and we want to combine the 2 methods.
An example of how we work is this.......
Lets say, we are designing the base of a basic frame. Now, we sketch in the profile of the RHS that will run along the front of the base and we also sketch in the elevation view of this RHS (see snip 1). This gives us 2 sketches to derive in to create a new part of RHS.
If I change the size of the profile of the RHS within the "master sketch" the newly created RHS part will update to suit. This also applies if I change the length of the RHS within the elevation view within the "master sketch".
So, now we want to add in a 5mm thick plate that sits flush with the top of the RHS, we sketch in a 3mm thick rectangle and make the top line colinear with the top line of the RHS profile sketch (see snip 2). We would then derive through these sketches and use them to create this plate as an ipt.
So now we have 2 parts, 1 length of RHS and 1 piece of plate. If we place these to parts into an assembly and ground them to their "root" then the plate will be sitting flush with the top of the RHS.
If I change the profile of the RHS to 50mm taller in the sketch, then the plate will move up to suit and stay flush with the RHS in the assembly.
NOW, what we want is to use frame generaotor along side this method. Instead of deriving through the first 2 sketches to create the the RHS, we want to create the RHS using frame generator and the elevation sketch BUT what we also want is when we change the profile sketch of the RHS, the Frame generator generated part updates to suit the altered sketch. The reason we want this is because we control all our full assemblies using sketches.
Lets take the same bunch of aforementioned sketches and create the parts using FG.
So I have the RHS profile sketched out at 100x50 and the plate sketch sits colinear with the top of this.
I then go through the motions to create the RHS within FG.
I choose RHS from the drop down menu, then choose 100x50 from the "size" drop down menu. I then use the elevation sketch to specify the length.
Now if I increase the size of the RHS (to 150x50) within the sketch, the plate will move up to suit BUT the actual part of the RHS which was created using FG will still stay the same size (100x50), and the plate will be shown as floating within the assembly!!!
If I do it the other way, i.e. change the size fo the RHS within FG, then the sketch will still show the original size and the plate will still sit flush with this original size. This will show the plate as sitting too low in the assembly!!!
Is there anyway at all, that we can link the profile sketch dimensions to the FG generated parts, so that if we edit the profile size of the RHS to a larger or smaller size then FG will automatically alter the generated part to suit the profile sketch???
Is this at all possible???? Or will we just have to alter both the sketch AND the FG part? We really don't want to use adaptive parts within our assembly, we always just control our assemblies with our "master sketches".
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May 27, 2012
In previous versions, as clunky as it was, I used to put a work plane in the centre of a frame generator part using "G_L/2"
This does not seem to work anymore in 2013.
Inventor Professional 2014.
Windows 7 64 bit.
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Feb 22, 2013
Up until now, for FG I've always created a part with just a sketch in it. I insert that in an assembly and use it as my frame generator driving part. Now, I've started creating a solid instead of just a sketch in the part and using its edges to attach frame members. Picture a cube. I really need to put sheet metal on the cube and have my frame on the outside of the sheet metal. I was setting up a parameter for the sheet metal thickness and offsetting the members in Frame Generator that parameter. Now, I've accidentally discovered that I can select the outside edge of the sheet metal part to attach my frame members to. Is that a valid workflow? If it is, its a bit of an epiphamy for me. Using a parameter in FG as an offset required me to edit each member with FG and update it to get the offset to use the current parameter value.
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Oct 9, 2013
I'm trying to make a drawing of a assembly, and some of the parts were made in frame generator. When I try to make a section view the parts made in frame generator still show as whole instead of halved. Is there something that I need to toggle or vice versa so that this will not happen anymore?
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Jan 28, 2013
I can publish a part containing a user text parameter to the content centre for use in frame generator however when I go to insert that part an error as per the attached screen shot.
To re-create the error you have to follow the below steps.
Create a part with a text user parameterPublish for use in frame generator.Create frame with the part and an error will be created as per the attached screenshot.
Is there a way to work around this error being created and use parts with text user parameters in Frame Generator?
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Aug 21, 2012
I am trying to create/publish custom shapes into Content Centre and for use in Frame Generator. I can create the i-Part and configure the parameters I want to enable different sizes - no problem. However when I go to "Publish Part" ()
I get the following error.......
do I need to save the ipt file in a different location? What dependencies are there? I get the same result if I follow the Inventor tutorial using the brace.ipt part....
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May 22, 2013
After using Custom Profile for Frame Generator, the Part List will show total length, not individually. How to split these frame members?
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Apr 30, 2013
After using Custom Profile for Frame Generator, the Part List will show total length, not individually. how to split these frame members?
Inventor Professional 2013 SP1.1
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, SP1
HP EliteBook 8460w; 8 GB RAM; i7 - 2.0 GHz; AMD Firepro M3900 -1 GB
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Jun 24, 2009
While using the frame generator's "Trim - Extend to Face" command on short members, the wrong end of the member is being trimmed. Is there a way to choose which end to trim on short members?
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Oct 12, 2012
How to use frame generator in assembly? I find difficult to assemble a huge assembly.
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Aug 13, 2013
I'm running Inventor 2013 professional and I want to design a steel structure for stress analysis. But I can't find any DIN H-beams (HEB, HEA in accordance to DIN 1025) in the "insert frame member selection".
Isn't it possible to use DIN H-beams in Inventor frame generator? Can I add my own parts to the library for stress analysis?
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Apr 19, 2012
All of a sudden I can't get up my frame generator. I click into my frame > hit "insert frame", which is normally where the dialog box comes up, but I get nothing.
Inventor Professional 2014.
Windows 7 64 bit.
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Feb 13, 2012
I just recently had Inventor 2012 installed on my computer and I went to make a frame generator and an error message popped up and won't let me make the generator. I attached a .jpeg to this that shows what error keeps appearing.
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Aug 6, 2013
Coming from a solidworks background, i frequently use weldments, or Inventor's equivalent - frame generator.
Wondering if there was a solidworks 'end cap' equivalent.
[URL] essentially a weldment driven and generated part which doesn't need much thinking about.
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May 20, 2011
It seems to me that there is a major disconnect between using the Vault and using Frame Generator. When creating a frame using frame generator all the parts are automatically named by frame generator. It gives you a name such ANSI W8x13 00000001 for an I-beam for instance. As you create more components (I-beams in this case) the number on the end of the file name increases so you have 0000002, 00000003 etc. After I'm finished with the assembly I will check it into the vault.
The issue comes up when I go to create a new assembly a few days later using the same I-beam. The naming convention for the I-beam is exactly the same for the new assembly file. It will start over and give me a new ANSI W8x13 00000001 file. Now when I go to check it into the vault I get the "cannot check in due to vaulting restrictions" error because the two files have been named the exact same thing. It seems crazy that Inventor would be set up this way considering how vault works. The only thing I have found is that you can click the browse button and rename the file. This is a serious headache though because I have to come up with a unique name (or pre-fix) for EVERY part of EVERY frame that I generate. And lets just say it's not hard for me to create 100+ new parts a day using frame generator.
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Dec 23, 2011
Aside of beams and so I could use some metal studs. Seems like there are not any.
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Mar 6, 2013
The frame generator gives the wrong cut length (G_L) when using double end treatment "Trim and Extend to Face"
See attached screen shot: The correct length of the diagonal RHS should be 1852 mm after trimming the RH end to btm and rh member. As far as I remember this is an old problem never been fixed. Is a lot of work manually altering the cut length of 20-30 member in the BOM.
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May 9, 2012
I created a frame using 150 x 75 BS4 channel section in 2011/12 (can't remember which) however it was created before the BOM length fix (all lengths stated are not necessarily the lengths of the beams). In order to fix this I need to redraw the frame, which is fair enough, however I am unable to find the BSI standard channel section. In fact, BSI has seemed to vanish from my library completely, I can not even place a component from the BSI library.
I have had a look around the C:/Programdata/autodesk/inventor2011(or 12 or 13)/contenetcentre/libraries and have found parker, gost, DIN etc but no BSI. I have not used the frame generator/place component in 2013 yet so no idea if this was from install or not.
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Oct 30, 2012
My skeleton has lost translation with my frame generator and has offset the sketch. I have tried "Edit with Frame Generator" but the peices seem to stay in place.
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Oct 7, 2012
I have been playing around with Inventor (moving across from Solidworks) and am wondering how I 'detail plates' I am becomeing familiar with the Frame Generator to create all of my members, but it seems quite disconnected in the creation process create a plate.
I currently am creating the 3D sketch (in a part) creating the (base) plate in the same part and then in the assebley I am using the frame Generator (See image) to create the members.
How to correctly include the plates as part of the design process.
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Jun 12, 2012
Is there any way in standard inventor to find what sketch is related to a frame generator member?
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Feb 15, 2012
I`ve modelled a pipe and would like to know if this type of pipe can be added to the content centre so as i can use with the frame generator?
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Oct 6, 2011
How do you have the frame generator "point" to a custom parts directory to create from?
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cpu intel xeon E5-2687W0@3.106
eight core
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32 gig of ram
Autodesk product design
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Mar 14, 2012
Can i use frame generator and do subassembly using one of the member and still be able to stretch the frame?
will the subassembly stretch as well?
inventor 2011
vault 2012
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Sep 8, 2011
Recently the company bought a single license of Inventor to test out and see if it meets our company goals and is efficient to use for what we do. I've been working with the frame generator, which is fairly easy to use and make the initial assembly, but I am having trouble and breaking out individual sections to detail.
I am stuck with using LOD for this platform, provide a general workflow procedure of the best way of creating assemblies and subassemblies.
What I am currently using Inventor is to build a condenser platform. Generally we like to weld as much of it in the shop before it goes to the field for final assembly. The platform consists of beam supports, grating, stairs, and handrail. In this case we would generally take sections of the handrail and weld in the shop, we would also have the stairs with the handrail welded on it as well. I would like to refrain from converting this to weldment.
I have tried promoting and demoting but this loses constraints and references. Also I cannot create a single skeleton of the whole frame at one time because a lot of the frame members depend on the other members structural sizes (flange width, height, etc.).
I've read of people creating multiple subassemblies and grounding them, but I would like to think that their has to be away that I could just build off of the base skeleton and not have to cycle through different assemblies.
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Sep 18, 2013
I'm trying to find out whether I can create custom frame generator profiles in IV2014. Any solutions that I've come across aren't viable (referencing files that don't exist on my machine etc).
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Mar 2, 2012
I have another issue with Fram Generator drawing BOM;
One of my like components has cutouts in it, making the mass "Varies" between these like components.
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May 9, 2013
I have problems with material appearance in the frame generator. I have created a new material 316 stainless steel and assigned a specific colour to it. I have now decided to change that colour but it only changes when I change the material in iProperties of the part. I still get the old colour when I use the frame generator to change the material. The only way to change the colour of my material is thru the appearance tab in the frame generator pop up window.
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